This morning at 11.20am the fourth and final of the Liam podcasts from the Thinking Out Loud series will play on 95bFM.

In this final episode, Charlotte Ryan looks at how those people in creative professions perceive symbolism in their daily lives and also how they project it through music, writing and design.

Charlotte Ryan speaks with Xanthe White; landscape designer, Marije Volelzang; eating designer, Emily Perkins; writer and Dee Dee from the Dum Dum Girls.

If you're not in Auckland or missed the live screening of the podcast you can listen to the stream by visiting the FRIENDS tab of this website and then PODCASTS.